Is the Linux Community Toxic? | Destination Linux 236

This week’s episode of Destination Linux, we’re discussing a very difficult topic about toxicity, is eating our own holding Linux back? We’ll also talk about self-hosting your own VPN and Pine64’s PineTime Open Source Smartwatch. Plus we’ve also got our famous tips, tricks and software picks. All of this and so much more this week on Destination Linux. So whether you’re brand new to Linux and open source or a guru of sudo. This is the podcast for you.

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00:00 = Welcome to DL 236
00:41 = Announcement: DLN MEGAFest on Sunday August 22nd
02:35 = Community Feedback: Self-Hosting VPNs
08:56 = Digital Ocean: Managed MongoDB ( )
10:30 = Is Eating Our Own Holding Linux Back?
33:05 = Bitwarden Password Manager ( )
34:31 = Pine64’s PineTime Open Source Smartwatch
43:55 = Linux Gaming: MMORPG Tycoon 2
46:52 = Software Spotlight: Mailspring Email Client
49:25 = Tip of the Week: wipefs
51:05 = Linux Community Events: openSUSE Asia Summit & Nest with Fedora
52:38 = Outro

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10 thoughts on “Is the Linux Community Toxic? | Destination Linux 236

  1. I think Michael is the one responsible for pushing around all the ones and zeroes ? I just have to say.. the show has never looked or sounded better! I also love the inclusion of the fifth panels in the outro. Your effort hasn't gone unnoticed.

  2. Ok, say what you want. When I see that a shit storm is about to begin on Phoronix (you can clearly tell that just based on the article title), I rush to a grocery store to get some popcorn before I get into the comments section.

  3. A second comment for engagement.
    A thing tied to negativity in the Linux community.
    The Pine phone, when ever I open a video to see the progress 90% of the comments are usually around how bad it is and how far behind it is to the latest iPhone and Android devices.
    Not a good way to encourage a company to invest more in a product.

  4. Never got into Unity, thought it was a strange layout. But then came Gnome 3 and that's my secondary choice now a days ( i3 is my main).
    I've heard a lot of negativity targeted torward Pulse audio but I never had any issues with it.
    I like both Flatpacks and Snaps, and think they are the future as they separate user applications from the OS it self.
    And separation is important both from a stability point of view and as a security viewpoint.
    However because of the YT community around Linux I've mostly focused on Snaps even if my personal preference would probably be flatpacks as the backend is more "free" than the snap one.
    When it comes to System.d I have no problems with it, however I only used another init system for about 6 months (until my distro at the time switched to System.d).

  5. Hey my fellow penguinites! Have you looked into the "Frameworks" Laptops? Their modularity is dope, the upgrade ability second to none, and their philosophy on right to repair, privacy and security is the bomb! Although not 100% Linux compatible it's getting there, and they do have workarounds for the few things that aren't. Of course more encouragement from the greater Linux community can only help.

    I was running private VPN's all the way back in Windows 3.1at 28k over the wired telephone network (yes kids there was such a thing) back in the early 90's, and there weren't any services.

    As for beating on others in the community, it's easy to get angry, when some project developers just don't want to accept that many of us are keyboard shortcut handicapped and ease of use, great features… will help Linux grow on the desktop, and accelerate raise its market share exponentially, and with it their own earning potential. KDE and many others get it, but Mozilla

    I do love their software, and their constant improvement, but their forums are like some elite virtual award greedy insider crowd, with some moderators so busy policing rules to a T, they have little time to actually help anyone:

    Once while I was waiting for an answer to my question, I looked for any I may be able to help with, and found one where some Linux newbie asked "how to reinstall Firefox" because he deleted the icon from the start menu and though he had to reinstall Firefox to get it back. There were like 5 to 10 different replies on all the various methods to reinstall Firefox, from the terminal over every possible package manager, only adding to the OP's confusion, to where he spent hours searching for and deleting every file and folder he could find with Mozilla and/or Firefox in the name, and breaking all kinds of stuff in the process! So I just had to chime in and point out the obvious, with: "Does anyone here realize that all he really needs to know is how to add a link to the .desktop file to the menu?" and explained the procedure, to where not one of them replied, but some moderator, who yanked my reply and left me a smug message because I wasn't directly answering the question, and for "being rude and condescending"… to where I couldn't resist but pointing out his complete and utter lack of logic and reasoning, trying to build a straw man against me, and ad hominem (Attacking the person, rather than the argument), and explained that it just isn't always the right course of action to answer the question as asked, explained the logic and reasoning behind my action with a "Put yourself in the OP's shoes scenario"… but it only made him double down, and he demanded an apology and threatened to ban me, to where I took it up with someone higher up, asked them to follow the thread and messages start to end, and tell me I was wrong (No emotions either way) and they agreed it was sound advice, and not offensive in any way, but asked me to reword the reply to not ruffle oversensitive feathers, and to instead be direct to the OP, and ignore everyone else. They added my The moderator was still on the forum, without lowered status (they should have reprimanded him).

    Of course every time I go there for something, I see all of the same bickering over details, closed topics for silly reasons… So, in many cases it's no wonder people get upset, and lose their cool dealing with it! Their are plenty of other forums where they are less than helpful and accommodating, let alone observant enough to see where and why some people can easily misunderstand things and make the mistakes they do.

  6. For Firefox, I stopped using them because the current leadership decided to cave to employees like so many tech companies and turn against their reason to exist as a company and instead spew wokeness. A company exists to make a product, not delve into politics. It used to be managers would tell employees they don't care what they think about politics and to go back to work. FF decided to come out and speak literally against a free and open web to appear woke. For the actual browser, it's what I used to use and I liked it. I still like it and would switch back if they removed their current leadership and put in ppl who care about running a company, not becoming a political action committee.

    Red Hat was the same story. Because of the CentOS debacle I had to start looking around b/c internal servers were CentOS ( external RHEL ) and I had just upgraded ours to 8. I knew Alma and Rocky were coming out but I still had to spend time and effort looking at and testing alternatives in case those went no where. But then they decided to use their company for some wokeness and I just said, well I've already had to go looking around so bye RHEL for now until you get better leadership who won't allow their company to be hijacked for political purposes.

    So, all in all, there are times to call out stupidity and say, if you do this I'm no longer paying for / using your offerings.

  7. Ryan please look at framework laptop for next hardware addicts… modular repairable laptop. Every module inside has a qr code linking to a repair guide. All screws are color coded. Nothing is glued everything is replaceable

  8. I love systemd; Firefox and I loved Unity. All great software and I know somewhat, what I talk about, because I worked for 42 years in ICT. I even designed a special purpose OS for Air Traffic Control systems in the end of the seventies.

  9. I agree about the community working against itself. I got into Linux post cancer recovery as a way to keep active and learn about Linux which is something I always wanted to know more about. Although I think overall it is more positive than negative, there are some really "toxic" aspects about it especially when referring to Apple, Microsoft, or Google. This is very hypocritical all too often when we all use multiple services as needed depending on our circumstances which is the "choice" that supposedly the Linux community espouses. And Ryan's comments "about eating our own" is spot-on with regard how we address problems. You all touched on the Snaps/Flatpaks debate which is a great solution to bolstering adoption of Linux but the "community" can't seem to agree on package management or containerized applications. Anyway, this was a good show and I am glad you addressed it.

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