Fedora 28 – A Quick Look & Gaming on Ryzen 2700x & Vega 56

Use referral code for Digital Ocean https://m.do.co/c/82f5a7a89236 In this video we take a look at Fedora 28 w/ default DE Gnome 3.28.2. This is a just a high level glance at some of the features of this latest version. My opinions on Fedora having never used it before as a full-time desktop. A rant about Wayland. Plus, performance on the Ryzen 2700x and Vega 56 playing BO and putting out some serious FPS.

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23 thoughts on “Fedora 28 – A Quick Look & Gaming on Ryzen 2700x & Vega 56

  1. In my view, If you are going to buy a new gfx card, go for AMD. Used, go for Nvidea. People always praise about open source Radeon drivers work with older cards better but I’m my case it was the opposite. The Vega series is just so fast!… in every platform.

  2. Fedora is testing distribution so wayland belongs on it so the iterative process of code refine test release refine bug report track correct code new feature repeat. If you want stable then RHEL/Centos or LTS.

  3. DasGeek, do virtual passthrough in the next video for those Windows-exclusive games and you will be the first in the Linux community on Youtube outside Level1Techs. 😉
    You can do it with Ryzen and Vega, I would like to see a demonstration with the entire setup, Level1Techs is great but they didn't show the entire setup (they described what to do though). I can't wait to try it out myself in the future (waiting for Zen2 and Navi).

  4. Nice review, but as a long term Fedora user, and though I game a LOT on it, and worse, with nVidia, indeed, Wayland does not feel as snappy or "ready"… HOWEVER, the issue is NOT Wayland itself, but rather, nVidia (for my main rig) and the APPLICATIONS themselves… Let me explain, it was until really recently that both Wayland (or rather GNOME, apparently) and nvidia have reached a compromise in order for the use of EGL Streams in Wayland (Wayland developers did not want to maintain two codepaths, so only one driver would take advantage of one and the rest of the other, but there seems to be a whoping majority of people running nVidia), so if you have an nVidia card, the wayland experience will be awful (or was, until recently). The more valid point of APPLICATIONS is what worries me the most, as we have a case of application alienation within the community in the case of X11 Vs Wayland, pretty much everyone and their dogs/cats agree that XWindows is old, bulky and full of holes, despite the efforts been made by the recent releases from Xorg, this talk has gone well over 10 years now, and X still rules the Linux desktop, why? Because of Application support. Architecturally speaking X is a conundrum in it s protocol and quite complex, however is what most developers understand and it has been under heavy development for the last 30+ years. The milestone it was at the turn of the Millenium with Direct Rendering Infrastructure (ring a bell, DRI?) was what really opened the door for real time 3D graphics on Linux on a consumer level outside of really elaborate and expensive solutions, that was quite a revolution, which has allowed us to game on Linux and a TON of different stuff like have Maya officially supported on the platform and a myriad of other proprietary high-end software (that your average user will not care/know about). With wayland, we are seing much of the other great migration that happened around the time Linux 2.6 was first released, and the use of the older sound drivers were dropped, that's right, OSS demise in favor of ALSA (in 2.4, oss drivers, as with ALSA, were built into the kernel or as modules), it wreaked major havok among applications, and even though still today (we're at 4.16, much has happened since the introduction of 2.6!!) OSS emulation is possible in order to have those older games and applications run even if you have pulse or alsa and you need that /dev/dsp… Or the dawn of the composited desktop around ~9 years ago which required a MAJOR overhaul to the base X11 protocols and new extensions, and DRI/DRM implementations and KMS support, and all that great stuff from back then, so that we could have composited desktops that o body liked due to FPS drops in games, and now are the norm (screen capture back then was a MAJOR PITA if you had a composited desktop, ring any bells?).

    Anyway, that is much of what is happening now with Wayland, despite the hardware issues that seem to finally are being addressed, the issue of applications is a MUCH slower process and Wayland also marks a dreaded milestone, as pretty much all modern games on Linux are being developed to target Steam, which itself, still uses X11 as its graphics backend, and where there is XWayland, i. e. the means to run X applications on top of Wayland, it is a less than ideal solution still as many parts of the protocol have yet to be implemented (though they are making good progress) and some applications simply do not work as well… But that is not Wayland's fault, but rather that applications are snail slow moving towards that goal, but at the same time, X11 is making things better, so there is a dichotomy in that the migration "date" is a moving target, as the base we are leaving is also moving away from the system that is supposedly replacing this (critical) piece of infrastructure. So bottom line, depending on WHAT you want the system for, you need Wayland or X11… The other big issue with Wayland Vs X11, alas less talked about, is input, there are some (sometimes) critical differences, and even though these are being minimized with the use of libinput, there are still some issues in some "special cases".

    As for the decision of Fedora to make it the default, it was just the same reason they had to take the plunge and decide that GNOME 3 needed to be the default as of Fedora 15: Exposure, in order for developers to address many of the issues that plagued the initial releases of GNOME 3, they needed the system to get as much exposure as possible, and boy! Did GNOME 3 has come a LONG way from those days to date! The same is the aim from Fedora with Wayland, how is it going to suprass and substitute X11 if there is not enough exposure to it? How can it aspire to be the default graphics server for the future of Linux, when it is not even running the PRESENT?, well that's why it became the default, and at least that's my experience with Fedora, as soon as you install the proprietary drivers from nvidia, you are switched to X11 (unlike when you are using compliant free drivers, like you with the Vega 56), or on my laptop where I have an Intel HD 4600 GPU I can choose either session, but stick to X11 due to Steam not playing nice inputwise when running the Steam Controller and BPM.

    Best regards, and good review, I really enjoyed it, and even though it may come out as one, I did not mean to rant, but rather to put into perspective some of the historic aspects of why the state of Fedora is currently as it is (or at least, my take on it).

    Edit: corrected XWayland from WaylandX

  5. Maybe its because I've been using it since 2002 / '03?…I LOVE Fedora! I prefer it over Mint….Arch…..manjaro…and Ubuntu/Debian! I've been through the "tough times" with it….don't get me wrong, but once you get your system stable and flying right?….you can't LOSE!…I'm still running it on the SAME laptop that I installed it on back then (a Lenovo ThinkPad T-400!)

  6. I jumped from Fedora 20 to Fedora 26, and oh boy! What a difference! The visual effects were awesome! Then, when I upgraded to Fedora 27, I figured things couldn't get much better, but it did! I noticed even more snappiness in the UI, and other improvements. Unfortunately, Firefox Quantum 57 kept killing my system by chewing up all of my memory unexpectedly after a few days of uptime, and I have 32 GB of RAM! A fix never came so I switched to Chrome, and the problem disappeared. After upgrading to Fedora 28, I noticed even better UI performance! The snappiness and smoothness of the UI was more impressive, and Firefox Quantum 60 didn't have the problem of 57! Everything appears to be perfect right now! By the way, I have an NVidia GTX 760.

  7. I've gamed on Fedora 27 for a month, and I liked it quite a bit. I used Xfce instead of Gnome 3. I've used openSUSE Tumbleweed and Fedora 27 for gaming. Fedora 27 was better for gaming. Tumbleweed required more work. Also with proprietary Nvidia drivers through RPMFusion, I've never had a problem with a kernel upgrade. It happened a few times on Tumbleweed. However, you can boot into the older kernel and it will work. Try to update it again after a few days, and that seemed to fix things. Fedora never gave me that kind of trouble.

  8. the problem with fedora is that it is too bleeding edge for me. it comes with wayland as default because every program in fedora is beta. it's like a testing ground for redhat enterprise base systems. so at some point it will break 😛 . it always breaks for me.

  9. Gnome-Wayland needs a big final push to get it mainstream on linux, because it's sooo close. It feels much nicer than using X to me, but there are always odd bugs that stop me using as my daily driver. Fedora is like the official home for Gnome, you can't get any vanilla than that combo. I've personally not tried a RedHat based distro since I first tinkered with Linux 20 years ago, but I'm sure it has it's place =D.

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